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tequila_nic

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Re: Ireland, Northern Ireland and Brexit
« Reply #15 on: December 05, 2017, 04:56:37 PM »
says the compulsive bullshit spreader

'lapping it up' indeed

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« Reply #16 on: December 05, 2017, 06:37:06 PM »
As I understand it nobody wants to see a border introduced in Ireland. Nobody.

That's the end of your Brexit right there.

A border would contravene the Good Friday agreement so the uneasy peace we have enjoyed in Ireland since it was introduced becomes somewhat uneasier.

The only way there can be no border is for the same regulations to apply north and south because if they do not there'll need to be checks and that ipso facto creates a border.. That'll mean EU regulations. All of them.

If they are to apply in Northern Ireland they will need to apply to all of the UK.

That's the end of taking back control and the promised primacy of UK sovereign power.

We will still have to follow every EU regulation and guideline, we'll have no say in any of them, no possibility of vetoing anything we particularly want to and we'll not only pay £50bn to render us impotent on the European arena but look pretty fucking stupid for doing so which will diminish our soft power globally.

That's how it is.

If we walk away from negotiations we still hurtle off the cliff edge and all of the tensions arising from the New Irish Problem persist.

And Number 10 is apparently confident that a deal can be reached that is acceptable to all parties by 16th December... They are quite rankly deluded.

If they blow out the DUP the government will fall. If they agree to mirror regulations throughout the UK and Ireland their own swivel-eyed loonies will have Theresa May's head on a stick and this government will fall.

Looks like a January general election to me and then we'll see how Corbyn solves the same issues.

Which he will not because they are unsolvable.

The only way forward is to remember that the referendum was only advisory, stop Article 50 and stay in the EU.

Sir Rocis de Liver

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« Reply #17 on: December 06, 2017, 01:10:36 PM »
This man is certifiable.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5151193/David-Davis-says-Brexit-impact-like-2008-crash.html

The useless, incompetent lying Maybot totally mislead the House at PMQs.
According to her, negotiations are on course, no problem with the Irish border.
In a court of law, she would be charged with perjury and sent to prison.
Not long now, Jeremy.

bababarararacucucudadada

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« Reply #18 on: December 06, 2017, 04:25:58 PM »
20th Oct 2016: David Davis informs parliament that 51 sector by sector Brexit impact reports were being compiled by the government.

6th Dec 2017: David Davis confirms that no sector by sector Brexit impact reports have been compiled by the government.

Is Davis:

a) incompetent
b) negligent
c) a liar

Is there any other explanation for the conflicting statements?

This is absolutely un-fucking-believable.

barky

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Re: Ireland, Northern Ireland and Brexit
« Reply #19 on: December 06, 2017, 04:45:44 PM »
20th Oct 2016: David Davis informs parliament that 51 sector by sector Brexit impact reports were being compiled by the government.

6th Dec 2017: David Davis confirms that no sector by sector Brexit impact reports have been compiled by the government.

Is Davis:

a) incompetent
b) negligent
c) a liar

Is there any other explanation for the conflicting statements?

This is absolutely un-fucking-believable.
would be unbelievable to me as well if I hadn't been kept up to date on brexit NON progress by my MSP - an expert on the subject unlike Tory MPs
« Last Edit: December 06, 2017, 05:59:03 PM by barky »

bababarararacucucudadada

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« Reply #20 on: December 06, 2017, 06:07:32 PM »
When are people going to start getting *really* bloody angry about Brexit?

How much more of this cack-handed, gibbering incompetence and lies will it take?

bababarararacucucudadada

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« Reply #21 on: December 06, 2017, 06:14:47 PM »
What really amazes me is that these people have been campaigning for Brexit for years and tears. Decades, even, in some cases.

And yet they have the scantest grasp of the problems to be overcome, let alone having any credible solutions to them, imaginable.

Brexit is just an article of faith. Arguing with a Brexiteer is like arguing with a Creationist. It just doesn't matter how the evidence mounts up, how compelling the arguments, how often they are told or how intractable the contradictions.

None of that matters.

They want it because they want it. They like empty, meaningless glib nonsense like "Brexit means Brexit" because it reinforces their own glib meaningless empty faith. It's like trying to reason with a three year old.

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« Reply #22 on: December 06, 2017, 06:30:52 PM »
brexiteers want to turn back clock to world as it was before british empire collapsed & think cutting ties to EU will solve all their problems -- of course they are in total denial that the problems are internal to UK & world has moved on. Fact that SNP has pointed out the problems with brexit has just made the hardline idiots more resolute that brexit must be done!

Sir Rocis de Liver

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« Reply #23 on: December 06, 2017, 08:17:28 PM »
I do hope those little old ladies in, say, Eastbourne or Worthing who voted Brexit are following this.
I doubt it.
Their concern was too many ‘foreigners’  and Polish sausage in Morrisons.

Sir Rocis de Liver

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« Reply #24 on: December 07, 2017, 12:04:08 PM »
What a load of fucking liars.
Grayling was on BBC TV this morning saying everything was hunky-dory.
Just praying this gang of liars will be slaughtered at the sooner than later, hopefully, General Election.

Apart, Ma’am, there are no aircraft but You referred to it as an aircraft carrier.
What, pray, are You on Ma’am?
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« Reply #25 on: December 07, 2017, 01:41:51 PM »
I do hope those little old ladies in, say, Eastbourne or Worthing who voted Brexit are following this.
I doubt it.
Their concern was too many ‘foreigners’  and Polish sausage in Morrisons.

They come over "ere", work on our building, fill our super duper markets with their sausages, speak a strange language.....and so forth.

I am all for immigration but I would like Britain to govern Britain. We need to reform the WTO and move ahead instead.

bababarararacucucudadada

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« Reply #26 on: December 07, 2017, 02:47:20 PM »
Having failed to reform the other 28 EU nations to our satisfaction we're going to move on and reform the 158 in the WTO successfully?

Are you for real?

Brexit; the WTO; competitive tariffs; better off outside the EU: all of it is just fantasy.

I wouldn't like it any better if they just came out and said "we want to de-regulate so we can scrap holiday pay, sick pay, maternity pay, benefits, privatise the NHS, sell chlorinated chicken, frack everywhere and replace long-term secure workers' contracts with zero hour contracts in order to compete in the global market with Bangladesh and the Phillipines but we can't while we are in the EU" at least it would be (mostly) truthful and understandable.

As it is all we have is an ugly morass of half-baked illogic, lies and ignorance forced upon us as they try to deceive us time and time and time again.

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Re: Ireland, Northern Ireland and Brexit
« Reply #27 on: December 07, 2017, 03:47:11 PM »
Having failed to reform the other 28 EU nations to our satisfaction we're going to move on and reform the 158 in the WTO successfully?

Are you for real?

Brexit; the WTO; competitive tariffs; better off outside the EU: all of it is just fantasy.

I wouldn't like it any better if they just came out and said "we want to de-regulate so we can scrap holiday pay, sick pay, maternity pay, benefits, privatise the NHS, sell chlorinated chicken, frack everywhere and replace long-term secure workers' contracts with zero hour contracts in order to compete in the global market with Bangladesh and the Phillipines but we can't while we are in the EU" at least it would be (mostly) truthful and understandable.

As it is all we have is an ugly morass of half-baked illogic, lies and ignorance forced upon us as they try to deceive us time and time and time again.

An acute case of Brexitphobia.

Let's stay positive. As the 6th biggest economy in the world....we definitely won't get kicked into touch by the bigger economies. They need us like we need them.

And to all the Remoaners( know you hate this tag): be positive. It will work out in the end.

bababarararacucucudadada

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« Reply #28 on: December 07, 2017, 04:30:46 PM »
No it won't. It won't be anything like that.

We hardly make anything so we won't export our way to prosperity. (Just in case you have forgotten that was a cornerstone objective in George Osborne's first austerity budget - and it hasn't happened.)

So we have to buy everything in or do without. The rest of the world will be able to impose any terms it likes.

Brexit is a hard-right wet dream that amounts to no more than the Bangladeshification of the UK as we race to the bottom of the pile.

It is traitorously bad wilful misjudgement at best and selling the entire country down the river for generations to come at worst.

The only redemption possible will come when people finally 'fess up that they didn't think it would lead to this by which time it will be far, far, far too late.

No point at all in sticking your head in the sand and hoping that optimism will pull us through because it won't. That's akin to the Titanic's ice berg spotter seeing the damned thing well in advance and not bothering to try to avoid it. Be as optimistic as him if you like but The Titanic still sunk.

Sir Rocis de Liver

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« Reply #29 on: December 07, 2017, 05:22:13 PM »

Let's stay positive. As the 6th biggest economy in the world....we definitely won't get kicked into touch by the bigger economies. They need us like we need them.

And to all the Remoaners( know you hate this tag): be positive. It will work out in the end.

You do realise, ROTM, that the next, and quite soon now, Prime Minister will be Jeremy Corbett, the Chancellor, John McDonnell and the Home Secretary, Diane Abbott, don’t you.