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Trump/Russia Collusion: Finally, the smoking gun...
« on: December 01, 2017, 05:17:47 PM »
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/12/01/politics/mike-flynn-indictment-analysis/index.html

Here we have it... wait... CNN... Fake News  >:(.... try again Groper

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/01/trumps-ex-national-security-adviser-michael-flynn-charged-with-lying-to-fbi


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Trumpís ex-national security adviser Michael Flynn pleads guilty to lying to FBI


Here we have it folks.  This Russia rouse, this democratic fake news, this mainstream media invention....

Is Flynn lying...

Or

Did Trump really ask Flynn to contact Russia?   :nooo:

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Re: Trump/Russia Collusion: Finally, the smoking gun...
« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2017, 05:31:15 PM »
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Former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn agreed to a plea deal with prosecutors in special counsel Robert Muellerís Russia probe. Itís the biggest development yet in the investigation into potential collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia ó and the legal move that poses the most direct threat to the Trump presidency itself.

Flynn pleaded guilty to a single count of lying to the FBI on or around January 24 about conversations with then-Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak in December 2016, the Office of the Special Counsel announced Friday. Itís important to note that he did not admit to colluding with Russia during the 2016 presidential election.


https://www.vox.com/2017/12/1/16706534/michael-flynn-fbi-charged-deal

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Re: Trump/Russia Collusion: Finally, the smoking gun...
« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2017, 12:55:58 AM »
Again, you have to remember that 95% of the media is with the mainstream. Of course they will come up with every headline. Besides, what's so offensive about speaking to the Ruskies?
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Re: Trump/Russia Collusion: Finally, the smoking gun...
« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2017, 01:02:33 AM »
Again, you have to remember 95% of the media is with the mainstream. Of course they will come up with every headline. Besides, what's so offensive about speaking to the Ruskies?

Nothing in itself. However, when the subject which said fellow spoke to the Ivans about was related to collusion over influencing the US election, its considered treason.

I know every nation tries to meddle in any elections of other nations it can, but the thing is, its considered highly illegal. Just cause the USA has done it and "offically" got away with it, does not mean Russia can do the same.

I agree the international laws and other systems are heavily biased in favour of the people who set them up, but thats basically the case for any law makers.

Again, you demonstrate a level of understanding of such things similar to a 12 year old.

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Re: Trump/Russia Collusion: Finally, the smoking gun...
« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2017, 01:06:15 AM »
Nothing in itself. However, when the subject which said fellow spoke to the Ivans about was related to collusion over influencing the US election, its considered treason.

I know every nation tries to meddle in any elections of other nations it can, but the thing is, its considered highly illegal. Just cause the USA has done it and "offically" got away with it, does not mean Russia can do the same.

I agree the international laws and other systems are heavily biased in favour of the people who set them up, but thats basically the case for any law makers.

Again, you demonstrate a level of understanding of such things similar to a 12 year old.

What's wrong with influencing an election? Baz O'bomber did it to us in our EU referendum. And one mustn't forget the countless number of elections that the US has interfered and got their man to the top. In failed cases, they have sponsored coups/regime change.

If I am 12, you are 8.
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Re: Trump/Russia Collusion: Finally, the smoking gun...
« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2017, 01:33:32 AM »
What's wrong with influencing an election? Baz O'bomber did it to us in our EU referendum. And one mustn't forget the countless bumber of elections that the US has interfered and got their man to the top. In failed cases, they have sponsored coups/regime change.

If I am 12, you are 8.

Up to a point, nothing.  However, Farage appearing on Putin's mouthpiece is an act of treachery to this country.  RT's purpose is to destabilise the UK and EU in a direction the Kremlin wants. 

When all said and done, RT is Putin's state-funded soft propaganda vehicle.  Funded by the taxes of Russian citizens.  That's as 'establishment' as it can possibly get considering Russia is vastly less democratic than the UK.

Think about it, if you were an ordinary Russian struggling day to day, while Putin's kleptocrat rabble fund (thanks to your taxes) a TV station to broadcast to the UK (not Russia) about issues that you, as a struggling Russian, don't give a flying f*** about.

Imagine Farage's reaction if the BBC set up BBC America and filled it with left wing and liberal talking heads rubbishing Brexit and Trump?  There lies the man's hypocrisy.  He's happy to take money from ordinary Russians in fees for Putin's state funded propaganda broadcaster while launching polemics about HIS OWN state's broadcaster's partiality.

The man is a contemptible hypocrite.
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Re: Trump/Russia Collusion: Finally, the smoking gun...
« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2017, 01:39:39 AM »
Up to a point, nothing.  However, Farage appearing on Putin's mouthpiece is an act of treachery to this country.  RT's purpose is to destabilise the UK and EU in a direction the Kremlin wants. 

When all said and done, RT is Putin's state-funded soft propaganda vehicle.  Funded by the taxes of Russian citizens.  That's as 'establishment' as it can possibly get considering Russia is vastly less democratic than the UK.

Think about it, if were an ordinary Russian struggling day to day, while Putin's kleptocrat rabble fund (thanks to your taxes) a TV station to broadcast to the UK (not Russia) about issues that you, as a struggling Russian, don't give a flying f*** about.

Imagine Farage's reaction if the BBC set up BBC America and filled it with left wing and liberal talking heads rubbishing Brexit and Trump?  There lies the man's hypocrisy.  He's happy to take money from ordinary Russians in fees for Putin's state funded propaganda broadcaster while launching polemics about HIS OWN state's broadcaster's partiality.

The man is a contemptible hypocrite.

Why don't you call him and tell hm this? Farage is on LBC Mon - Fri from 7pm to 8pm.

I understand your frustration....being a Remoaner and all. 

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Re: Trump/Russia Collusion: Finally, the smoking gun...
« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2017, 02:12:37 AM »
Why don't you call him and tell hm this? Farage is on LBC Mon - Fri from 7pm to 8pm.

I understand your frustration....being a Remoaner and all.

Do I have to call him, only to be talked over by the fucktard racist twat? 

You 'understand my frustration' being a 'remoaner' etc etc...  Maybe you should be posting on the Mail or Express!

So are you not bothered about doling out £50 billion to the EU so we can have no influence on EU the strategy of the world's largest trading block?  So we can present our backsides to the tax avoiding global elite?  The likes of Murdoch, Paul Dacre and the Sark based for tax reasons, Telegraph owning Barclay Brothers!

Return of the Mac and other useful idiots:  Come on in the 1% global monied elite, give us a good rodgering up our arses and we'll throw in a blow job on the house!  By the way, the bills on us, £50 billion to the EU so you can get on with it.  Go on, tickle our chins and tell us all about the trickle down effect of low corporation taxes and tax cuts for the rich and we'll roll over like good little doggies.
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Re: Trump/Russia Collusion: Finally, the smoking gun...
« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2017, 02:16:32 AM »
Do I have to call him, only to be talked over by the fucktard racist twat? 

You 'understand my frustration' being a 'remoaner' etc etc...  Maybe you should be posting on the Mail or Express!

So are you not bothered about doling out £50 billion to the EU so we can no influence on EU strategy?  So we can present our backsides to the tax avoiding global elite?  The likes of Murdoch, Paul Dacre and the Sark based for tax reasons, Telegraph owning Barclay Brothers!

Return of the Mac and other useful idiots:  Come on in the 1% monied elite, give us a good rodgering up our arses and we'll throw in a blow job on the house! By the way, the bills on us, £50 billion to the EU so you can get on with it.  Go on, tickle our chins and tell us all about the trickle down effect of low corporation taxes and tax cuts for the rich and we'll roll over like good little doggies.

You've been watching porn ? A potential Damian Green?

I am on your side and I am not an elite.
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Re: Trump/Russia Collusion: Finally, the smoking gun...
« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2017, 02:21:30 AM »
Do I have to call him, only to be talked over by the fucktard racist twat? 

You 'understand my frustration' being a 'remoaner' etc etc...  Maybe you should be posting on the Mail or Express!

So are you not bothered about doling out £50 billion to the EU so we can have no influence on EU the strategy of the world's largest trading block?  So we can present our backsides to the tax avoiding global elite?  The likes of Murdoch, Paul Dacre and the Sark based for tax reasons, Telegraph owning Barclay Brothers!

Return of the Mac and other useful idiots:  Come on in the 1% global monied elite, give us a good rodgering up our arses and we'll throw in a blow job on the house!  By the way, the bills on us, £50 billion to the EU so you can get on with it.  Go on, tickle our chins and tell us all about the trickle down effect of low corporation taxes and tax cuts for the rich and we'll roll over like good little doggies.

Farage is NOT a racist......unlike Britain First, BNP and other little idiots.

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Re: Trump/Russia Collusion: Finally, the smoking gun...
« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2017, 02:30:18 AM »
You've been watching porn again? A potential Damian Green?

I am on your side and I am not an elite.

Yeah but you're not on my side.  You are on the side of the elite.  You back Trump who is backed massively by the American super rich as well as the desperate (and manipulated) white working class in the rust belts who are not only angry about the loss of industry but also angry at erosion of their white privilege. 

Trump's tax proposals are going to royally fuck over the very desperate (mostly white) working class who helped elect him. 

You back Brexit even though the likes of JRM have presented hard right 'manifestos' of huge corporate tax cuts and tax cuts for the rich.  Ask yourself why foreign press barons who aren't domiciled in the UK for tax purposes overwhelmingly backed Brexit.


RotM, you're well meaning but you're the enemy.  You say you're a Corbynite (I don't even describe myself that way) yet you side with the media that rubbishes Corbyn at every opportunity.

I get the feeling that you're a bandwagon jumper, someone anti establishment and 'on the left' but someone who will vote 'hard right' if it's 'cool' and anti-establishment enough.


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Re: Trump/Russia Collusion: Finally, the smoking gun...
« Reply #11 on: December 02, 2017, 02:36:58 AM »
Yeah but you're not on my side.  You are on the side of the elite.  You back Trump who is backed massively by the American super rich as well as the desperate (and manipulated) white working class in the rust belts who are not only angry about the loss of industry but also angry at erosion of their white privilege. 

Trump's tax proposals are going to royally fuck over the very desperate (mostly white) working class who helped elect him. 

You back Brexit even though the likes of JRM have presented hard right 'manifestos' of huge corporate tax cuts and tax cuts for the rich.  Ask yourself why foreign press barons who aren't domiciled in the UK for tax purposes overwhelmingly backed Brexit.


RotM, you're well meaning but you're the enemy.  You say you're a Corbynite (I don't even describe myself that way) yet you side with the media that rubbishes Corbyn at every opportunity.

I get the feeling that you're a bandwagon jumper, someone anti establishment and 'on the left' but someone who will vote 'hard right' if it's 'cool' and anti-establishment enough.

I am actually hurt by this allegation. I am a hardcore Corbynista and I even support what Momentum did in Haringay recently.

Corbyn himsef was a reluctant remoaner. Peer pressure made him the silent one during our Brexit electon. If you look at the left, most in the left supported Brexit. Besides, I really can't see the big EU beast surviving for much long...can you?

I backed Trump over Clinton. Simples. And has Trump bombed or pre planned a war? NOPE, not yet at least. Not bad for a Republican.

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Re: Trump/Russia Collusion: Finally, the smoking gun...
« Reply #12 on: December 02, 2017, 02:58:27 AM »
I am actually hurt by this allegation. I am a hardcore Corbynista and I even support what Momentum did in Haringay recently.

Corbyn himsef was a reluctant remoaner. Peer pressure made him the silent one during our Brexit electon. If you look at the left, most in the left supported Brexit. Besides, I really can't see the big EU beast surviving for much long...can you?

I backed Trump over Clinton. Simples. And has Trump bombed or pre planned a war? NOPE, not yet at least. Not bad for a Republican.

Corbyn, like Benn saw the EU as a capitalist neoliberal club - the neoliberal bit largely the influence of Thatcher and Blair - but the EU is influenced by social democratic tendencies from western Europe. 

That's why Corbyn is a reluctant remainer, because for all the EU's corporatist baggage, Corbyn gets that the EU is better for the British working class than letting the British monied elite rightist establishment run tje show.

Most on the left didn't support Brexit.  People like me saw Brexit as an open door for the hard right to push their agenda further.  You only have to look at who most passionately supported Brexit.  The hard right. 

Lexit (supported by Q13 and other lefties) was a pipe dream .  We have a Tory government.  The reality is the right are calling the shots now and they will shape the UK in accordance to their agenda.

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Re: Trump/Russia Collusion: Finally, the smoking gun...
« Reply #13 on: December 02, 2017, 05:29:19 AM »
Mac, the ridiculousness of what you say is so so amazing.

Lets give you some things to actually explain, and therefore prove my understanding of politics is of an 8 year old level.

First of all, why do you think the EU has not got long left?

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Re: Trump/Russia Collusion: Finally, the smoking gun...
« Reply #14 on: December 02, 2017, 10:54:59 AM »
Besides, what's so offensive about speaking to the Ruskies?

Nothing.  But there's lots lying to the FBI afterwards.