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British builders: Where are they?
« on: October 27, 2017, 07:45:55 PM »
Where have all the British builders gone? I am talking about the wealth creating London. Walked past many a construction site today...I did not hear English being spoken. Not that it bothered me but my question is...whatever happened to the Brit building trade? Have they moved out of London or have they trained in some other profession?



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Re: British builders: Where are they?
« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2017, 08:43:12 PM »
Where have all the British builders gone? I am talking about the wealth creating London. Walked past many a construction site today...I did not hear English being spoken. Not that it bothered me but my question is...whatever happened to the Brit building trade? Have they moved out of London or have they trained in some other profession?

They're too busy.  Called one up and the quick response was, 'I'm all booked up for at least 6 months'.

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Re: British builders: Where are they?
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2017, 09:42:12 AM »
We don't have enough builders, carpenters, brick layers, plasterers, plumbers, electricians and God knows what else. Why not? Because all of these trades were once obliged to provide apprenticeships and train their own workers. So they did. Kids of 16 could leave school thick as fuck, sign up for an apprenticeship, get a trade and end up in a proper job. Chances are they'd stay in the job for years; possibly for their entire working lives. This benefitted the employer and the worker but under-pinning it all job security.

The erosion of employment rights, especially in these trades, and the move into short-term contracts means employers no longer see the need to train apprenticeships: after all what is the point in covering the expense when the best the worker can expect is a week-to-week contract on a site somewhere and the employer can just whistle up a new one as required?

So the onus falls on government-backed Training Schemes and vocational education all paid for out of general taxation, not the industry that will benefit, which aren't much valued by the kids on the courses or the employers supposed to take them on.

[Contrast to University tuition fees where only the direct beneficiary, the student, picks up the full cost of the education. Similarly, of course, the eventual employer benefits but does not pay the costs, naturally.]

It isn't just the "trades" though. We don't have enough ... In fact there's shortages everywhere you look in the supply of workers with any sort of qualification or specialist skill requirement which is why this country is (was, anyway) so attractive to migrant workers which, in turn, is why the hysteria about immigration in this country is so unfounded.

The icing on the cake comes from our ageing population. The proportion of over-60s in our population has been inexorably growing for years and the growth in their number is increasing with every passing year and you can't hoick a hod of bricks up a ladder all day every day when you are well into your 70s, can you?

So as a population we have fewer and fewer people of working age (meaning fewer and fewer builders, carpenters, brick layers, plasterers, plumbers, electricians, doctors, dentists, nurses, engineers, teachers (in some subjects) and more and more in retirement.

Then London has its own particular issues with the sheer expense of living there and the difficulty in finding somewhere to live - especially if you are a family. This is an issue that doesn't factor much if you are young, single and willing to rough it a bit to earn a crust like, say, a Bulgarian brickie might. It's Auf Wiedersehen, Pet in reverse, ain't it.

Put the lot together and there's your answer. Blame the Bulgarian brickie if you like but he is the symptom not the cause.

Eventually the penny will drop.

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Re: British builders: Where are they?
« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2017, 03:26:47 PM »
Where have all the British builders gone? I am talking about the wealth creating London. Walked past many a construction site today...I did not hear English being spoken. Not that it bothered me but my question is...whatever happened to the Brit building trade? Have they moved out of London or have they trained in some other profession?

Why don't you get off your fat arse and train to be one?

Stop quoting other people's experience like it's yours. You never fucking leave your nest, you vile person.

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Re: British builders: Where are they?
« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2017, 08:55:47 PM »
Why don't you get off your fat arse and train to be one?

Stop quoting other people's experience like it's yours. You never fucking leave your nest, you vile person.

Your Karma....it will make you suffer svenson.  :D

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Re: British builders: Where are they?
« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2017, 11:01:00 PM »
Your Karma....it will make you suffer svenson.  :D

More karma nonsense.

Why would karma bite me for telling the truth? :)

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Re: British builders: Where are they?
« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2017, 11:41:34 PM »
Didn't they all get arrested for cat calls and showing their butt cracks?

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Re: British builders: Where are they?
« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2017, 01:53:09 AM »
Didn't they all get arrested for cat calls and showing their butt cracks?

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Re: British builders: Where are they?
« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2017, 01:54:37 AM »
They have all been undercut. Contracts go out to a blind auction online and foreign builders will always undercut british ones.

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Re: British builders: Where are they?
« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2017, 06:03:50 AM »
Too much like hard work for Brits, that's why we import them.... ;)

Seriously though, my girlfreind's friends husband is a 'white British' builder (owns his own comoany and makes a shit load of money) and he is having to turn down BIG jobs. There is a lot of construction going on. Not house bulding sadly...

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Re: British builders: Where are they?
« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2017, 09:45:01 PM »
Too much like hard work for Brits, that's why we import them.... ;)

Seriously though, my girlfreind's friends husband is a 'white British' builder (owns his own comoany and makes a shit load of money) and he is having to turn down BIG jobs. There is a lot of construction going on. Not house bulding sadly...

Everybody seems to be doing extensions and redecoration.

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Re: British builders: Where are they?
« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2017, 10:02:01 PM »
Everybody seems to be doing extensions and redecoration.

Like your mate Hillary...she had a face-lift before that fatal election..... ;)

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Re: British builders: Where are they?
« Reply #12 on: October 29, 2017, 10:03:14 PM »
Too much like hard work for Brits, that's why we import them.... ;)

Seriously though, my girlfreind's friends husband is a 'white British' builder (owns his own comoany and makes a shit load of money) and he is having to turn down BIG jobs. There is a lot of construction going on. Not house bulding sadly...

Yep shortage of labour.

As barabar said. Not enough training and qualified tradesmen out there.

Potentially brexit can make this worse, should European builders start to require a work visa.
That will literally up costs, making building more expensive.

I can understand if some people think that it will make it "better" for more UK youth and unemployed to retrain to fill the skills gap, but who will pay for that?

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Re: British builders: Where are they?
« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2017, 10:06:12 PM »
I think its because of other reasons...every Tom, Dick and Patel wants to go to university and do a pen pushing job. Ever since we opened our borders to the former communist block nations...it has become something beyond the native Brits(every colour and creed) to do this sort of manual work.

 

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Re: British builders: Where are they?
« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2017, 10:14:50 PM »
I think its because of other reasons...every Tom, Dick and Patel wants to go to university and do a pen pushing job. Ever since we opened our borders to the former communist block nations...it has become something beyond the native Brits(every colour and creed) to do this sort of manual work.

Not really. All the builders I knew said it was hard to compete price wise with polish in particular.
The poles in the UK tended to do a good job for the money, plus I would fuck their wives.

These days, yes the people interested in education and careers tend to go for computer work as that is a large part of the future.

As barabar said, if private firms took on more apprenticeships, that could be one solution. It's just the risk is those employees costing more later.
Also building is seasonal to a certain extent. In the 80s a lot of firms did cash in hand black deals so they did not pay tax, but no work over the winter.