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Re: I voted for Brexit
« Reply #15 on: October 19, 2017, 03:16:37 PM »
An article written by my MEP, Alyn Smith

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Alyn Smith: The truth is that the Brexiteers lied and lied and lied ... and now can’t deliver
 YOU cannot have failed to notice that the pitch and tone of the Brexit discussions has got sharper lately, and the industrial-scale misinformation campaign has stepped up a notch to claim that the lack of progress is down to those ghastly Europeans.
 Well it ain’t – don’t be fooled. The Brexiteers lied and lied and lied, and promised a number of things they can’t deliver in the real world, and now as the penny is dropping they are desperate for someone to blame. My concern is that too many people will just sing along with the band, and the “why are they punishing us?” stuff will gain credence.
 A reminder – the UK referendum vote was not legally binding, and only narrowly won by Leave at 52 per cent v 48 per cent, and in Scotland we voted to Remain by 62 per cent to 38 per cent. My instruction is from the people of Scotland is to keep us in as much as we can. Article 50 of the EU treaties sets out the basic procedure whereby a member state can leave: once the intent to leave is communicated a two-year period of exit negotiations commences, and at the second anniversary of the triggering, EU law ceases to apply and EU rights are lost in the former member state. And that is important – it is not that the rights somehow continue, they stop, in a scenario that will make the fall of the USSR and Yugoslavia look like a constitutional cakewalk.
 The other 27 EU member states acting as the European Council have appointed Michel Barnier to be their lead negotiator, and have given him a mandate under which to conduct negotiations. The European Parliament will need to sign off on any eventual deal, so we have appointed Guy Verhofstadt to be our “Brexit co-ordinator”. The EU proposed that the negotiations take part in two phases, phase one on guaranteeing citizens’ rights, the Irish border and the financial commitments the UK has made and is expected to honour. Unless “substantial progress” was made on those three issues in the view of Barnier and the European Parliament, the talks would not move on to the further issues like what tariffs the UK will pay to access the single market. The UK accepted that formulation lock stock and barrel.
 The European Parliament decided two weeks ago, and now the council agree, insufficient progress has been made, so we must all try harder.
 May even made a speech in Florence and had a dinner with Jean-Claude Juncker as head of the commission to try and break the deadlock, but where in Florence she made a couple of concessions, the UK negotiators have since rolled even these back.
 I can’t actually write what our European friends and colleagues think of the UK, because I’m too focused on the expressions of concern. In their view, one of the great member states of the EU is capering to the tune of Russia and the US, destabilised from within with a bit of directed external help.
 It’s temping to say May was handed a poisoned chalice, but that’s simply not true. Continuing the grand Cameron-esque tradition of choosing party over country, she leapt at the chance to push a hard Brexit, seeking to outflank Farage and the rest of the Eurosceptic rabble that has gained so much airtime in UK politics lately. When challenged with her lack of a mandate, she called a snap General Election... and lost her majority
 Short of a great golden hand scrawling “You have no mandate for a hard Brexit” across the wall during a cabinet meeting, it’s difficult to see how this could be more obvious. OECD findings released this week show that a second referendum to reverse Brexit would kickstart the economy and pull us back from the cliff edge. This is serious, but the only thing the Tories are taking seriously is their own career options.
 Calling a referendum is serious business, there are consequences. That’s why I was so surprised to see that the Leave campaign had no credible plan, and why I’m so angry that we’re now – to paraphase the great Aneurin Bevan – going naked into the negotiating chamber.
 There was no plan. They don’t know what they’re doing. And now we’re expected to go along with it when Scotland so clearly rejected this madness? There are thousands of decent people who voted to Leave because they thought the people promising them the moon and the stars had a plan. But now, surely, it is obvious to the dugs in the street that there is no plan.
 There is no last-minute game-changer. You can’t play a whole game on a Hail Mary pass, yet that’s exactly what’s happening. There may have been a plan had the Leave campaign actually been honest and said “OK, here’s what we’re going to do about Euratom”, etc, but instead they focused on spreading lies about the entire population of Turkey coming over to kip on your sofa.
 So don’t believe their lies for a second. The EU isn’t the problem, the Tories are. Lets not let them away with it.
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Re: I voted for Brexit
« Reply #16 on: October 19, 2017, 03:19:29 PM »
No illusions here....we knew it was going to be tough. Better to divorce now rather than the complications that we will face in the  near future.

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Re: I voted for Brexit
« Reply #17 on: October 19, 2017, 03:21:09 PM »
You have no clue what you want.

Can you even vote or have you been declared mentally unfit?

See? So much better when you follow my rules.

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Re: I voted for Brexit
« Reply #18 on: October 19, 2017, 03:24:35 PM »
No illusions here....we knew it was going to be tough. Better to divorce now rather than the complications that we will face in the  near future.

You were NEVER ever going to be given another opportunity to even have a say ffs. 

This choice was only given to you by mistake  :ROFL:

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Re: I voted for Brexit
« Reply #19 on: October 19, 2017, 03:30:29 PM »
No illusions here....we knew it was going to be tough. Better to divorce now rather than the complications that we will face in the  near future.
based on what .... delusional murmurs?

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Re: I voted for Brexit
« Reply #20 on: October 19, 2017, 03:37:06 PM »
based on what .... delusional murmurs?

Clearly Europe wasn't working for the UK. Why should the UK tie itself to a proposed United States of Europe? The next step would have been t5o ditch the pound. However, I believe a union of this sort is needed with economies that are similar to ours. If you open up a very poor country to a rich one...obviously there will be one way traffic.

For example, say the UK and South Africa have this union...which lets free migration. Guess how many South Africans and their families are going to be here as opposed to Brits moving to those parts?

I am all for immigrants coming in...I myself am one but you have to meet a criteria/visa/others to fulfil. How can a naton plan for its education, hospitals and its welfare if we have an unlimited amount of people coming in?

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Re: I voted for Brexit
« Reply #21 on: October 19, 2017, 03:40:58 PM »
As for immigrants, I think we need to accept more from Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan and that region because our successive governments are responsible for the destruction of their lands. We have a moral responsibility. Every action must have a reaction.
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Re: I voted for Brexit
« Reply #22 on: October 19, 2017, 04:00:28 PM »
Clearly Europe wasn't working for the UK. Why should the UK tie itself to a proposed United States of Europe? The next step would have been t5o ditch the pound. However, I believe a union of this sort is needed with economies that are similar to ours. If you open up a very poor country to a rich one...obviously there will be one way traffic.

For example, say the UK and South Africa have this union...which lets free migration. Guess how many South Africans and their families are going to be here as opposed to Brits moving to those parts?

I am all for immigrants coming in...I myself am one but you have to meet a criteria/visa/others to fulfil. How can a naton plan for its education, hospitals and its welfare if we have an unlimited amount of people coming in?
still running with yer bullshit line, there ius no proposed United States of Europe, brexit is killing the £sterling & UK couldn't be forced to ditch it - mechanism to join Euro being 100% voluntary! Will agree EU needs reform & that reform is coming (brexit has speeded it up as UK was stumbling block) ... as for that utter bollocks about 'unlimited amount of people coming in' being a massive pressure FFS - that's just scapegoating for decades of failure of UK policy & if you believe otherwise then you are even crazier than you appear!

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Re: I voted for Brexit
« Reply #23 on: October 19, 2017, 04:02:51 PM »
As for immigrants, I think we need to accept more from Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan and that region because our successive governments are responsible for the destruction of their lands. We have a moral responsibility. Every action must have a reaction.
why would they want to come to a UK that hates immigrants & has rising hate crimes against immigrants, disabled etc? ... they would stay away I think!

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Re: I voted for Brexit
« Reply #24 on: October 19, 2017, 04:13:15 PM »
From barky's link

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  I can’t actually write what our European friends and colleagues think of the UK, because I’m too focused on the expressions of concern.

but you do anyway..... :ROFL:

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In their view, one of the great member states of the EU is capering to the tune of Russia and the US, destabilised from within with a bit of directed external help.

Eh?

Capering? What's that?  :ROFL:

Talk about daft conspiracies and ludicrous condescension, too.

https://player.vimeo.com/video/142445945?referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.snp.org%2Fabout_alyn_smith

Here is the goofball, representing how many people? 5 and a half million? :ROFL: and he thinks he is
 "responsible for overseeing the EU executives, so that’s the European Commission and what the member states are up to acting in the European Council."

Completely insane claims.  :ROFL: :ROFL: What the fuck does he actually do?

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Re: I voted for Brexit
« Reply #25 on: October 19, 2017, 04:17:28 PM »
Rotm.

It's like reading an 8 year old child's take on international relations and trade links.

You are so fucking clueless.

So the economies of, France Germany, Italy, for immediate instance are not similar to the UK?
Even to a relative extent by proportion, Scandinavia, the low countries, Austria and parts of the former Yugoslavia have wealthy populations coupled with high standards of education and living. Sure, some of the former Soviet countries and certain Mediterranean countries are struggling in different ways, but being open to such a free trade arrangement is still mutually beneficial.

Do you think the USA should fragment because Detroit is struggling as an economic entity? Should Russia split up because Siberia is a frozen shit hole?

Don't try to act like you have any clue.

Also. Barky, I know I frequently dismiss Scottish fellows as Rab C Nesbit, but you do realise that I am just being offensive for no other reason than some kind of habit?

I do respect your intelligence, even if I don't agree with you on certain points.

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Re: I voted for Brexit
« Reply #26 on: October 19, 2017, 04:30:12 PM »
I voted to remain because a Tory or UKIP brexit is a fucking stupid idea, now a socialist brexit on the other hand I would vote for.  Leaving the EU has to be for the right reasons.  And making rich bigots righer is not the right reason.

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Re: I voted for Brexit
« Reply #27 on: October 19, 2017, 04:37:42 PM »
Also. Barky, I know I frequently dismiss Scottish fellows as Rab C Nesbit, but you do realise that I am just being offensive for no other reason than some kind of habit?

I do respect your intelligence, even if I don't agree with you on certain points.

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Re: I voted for Brexit
« Reply #28 on: October 20, 2017, 07:51:22 PM »
£100 bn demanded by the EU gangsters....£60Bn offered by Mrs May. Just walk awaywithout paying a penny. We need the WTO to trade. EU needs us just like how UK needs the EU.

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Re: I voted for Brexit
« Reply #29 on: October 20, 2017, 07:54:00 PM »
still running with yer bullshit line, there ius no proposed United States of Europe, brexit is killing the £sterling & UK couldn't be forced to ditch it - mechanism to join Euro being 100% voluntary! Will agree EU needs reform & that reform is coming (brexit has speeded it up as UK was stumbling block) ... as for that utter bollocks about 'unlimited amount of people coming in' being a massive pressure FFS - that's just scapegoating for decades of failure of UK policy & if you believe otherwise then you are even crazier than you appear!

Remoaners have this uppity attitude and they think they are of superior intelligence. I think not. Remoaners have been brainwashed by the establishment and its media. The establishment wants to delay the process and put us through a 2nd referendum. That's my two cents on that.