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Reasonably Important => The News => Topic started by: New World on August 29, 2017, 10:13:18 AM

Title: North Korea fires missile over Japan.
Post by: New World on August 29, 2017, 10:13:18 AM
Japanese citizens were warned to take cover as a misile fired by North Korea flew over the country, posing what;s been described as an 'unprecendented threat' Te UNSC is to hold an emergency meeting...

...after which I suspect nothing willl happen...  ;)


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-41078187 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-41078187)

Tick tock tick tock..
Title: Re: North Korea fires missile over Japan.
Post by: Sir Rocis de Liver on August 29, 2017, 03:24:55 PM
The Japanese treated the Koreans most barbarically in WW2 and broke every rule in the Geneva Convention and took Korean women prisoners to act as 'Comfort Women' for the Japanese Army.
Title: Re: North Korea fires missile over Japan.
Post by: New World on August 29, 2017, 04:11:26 PM
Indeed they did, but that doesn't justify the provocation.

The Japanese tortured POW's and the US firebombed and nuked their cities, but they're all mates now, so this does warrant the level of alarm.
Title: Re: North Korea fires missile over Japan.
Post by: Sir Rocis de Liver on August 30, 2017, 07:15:38 AM
Yes, quite, rather a silly post by me.
But the same theme is also taken up by the DM.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4834716/Is-Kim-plotting-revenge-Japan-s-war-crimes.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4834716/Is-Kim-plotting-revenge-Japan-s-war-crimes.html)
Title: Re: North Korea fires missile over Japan.
Post by: New World on August 30, 2017, 08:50:10 AM
I reckon he's just being an arse, trying to provoke an American ally to gage Trumps' reaction. I see the UNSC just had a jolly good moan about the whole affair but stopped short of any further sanctions.

I think they are handing Trump war on a plate. His options are actually limited. He could wait until NK has a nuclear ICBM capable of reaching the US mainland - effectively a powerful bargaining chip for NK - or he can 'disable' their war machine now, keeping them in their nuclear incacapable box, and at the mercy of western sanctions. I think there is a strong possibility of war.
Title: Re: North Korea fires missile over Japan.
Post by: Sir Rocis de Liver on August 30, 2017, 08:59:02 AM
I get the depressing impression that all the people/bodies e.g. the UN who should deal with this increasing danger, haven't really a clue what to do.
Perhaps the key is China who could seriously cripple these loonies.
Also, all those high ranking NK army people can't all be nuts and must see the lunacy of any kind of war.
Title: Re: North Korea fires missile over Japan.
Post by: New World on August 30, 2017, 09:18:30 AM
I guess the UN are frightened of sanctioning military action. This would be a big boys war, with potentially hundreds of thousands dying in a matter of weeks. Although NK wouldn't stand a chance, the losses would be extremely high, there is some chance of tactical nuclear weapons being used and consequently a regional environmental disaster, plus a global economic collapse on the back of it all.

China know this, and I reckon they are playing the US like a fiddle. They know the US needs Chinese support to avoid all out war. Trump, however, unless reigned in by cooler heads in Washington,will do what he pleases I suspect.
Title: Re: North Korea fires missile over Japan.
Post by: New World on September 03, 2017, 10:37:43 AM
NK claims it has successfully tested a H Bomb, whic coud be mounted on a missile.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-41139445 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-41139445)

Possibly bullshit, but this aint gonna help in the wa of words. Awaiting more apocalyptic threats from the Trump.
Title: Re: North Korea fires missile over Japan.
Post by: Sir Rocis de Liver on September 03, 2017, 01:15:48 PM
Can we have more, please, of that delicious lady Newsreader who, apparently, came out of retirement to be the voice of NK.
Title: Re: North Korea fires missile over Japan.
Post by: New World on September 04, 2017, 08:04:33 AM
The South holds live fire drills, and the US explicitly threatens nuclear attack. The threat to use nuclear weapons wa reported on BBC Breakfast this morning. It's not in this link.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-41140621 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-41140621)

This is moving from the realm of cock waving into actually dangerous territory with SK claiming that the north could be preparing for yet more tests.

I tyink this could end with a bang, and if so let's pray that China and Russia keep out of it.
Title: Re: North Korea fires missile over Japan.
Post by: oake on September 04, 2017, 03:22:08 PM
Interesting to read some of the alternative views in the non-mainstream media.

For example:

https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/09/04/what-the-media-isnt-telling-you-about-north-koreas-missile-tests/ (https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/09/04/what-the-media-isnt-telling-you-about-north-koreas-missile-tests/)

Opinions expressed in the linked article do not necessarily reflect the views of the poster.
Title: Re: North Korea fires missile over Japan.
Post by: Q13.1 on September 04, 2017, 03:43:10 PM
Can we have more, please, of that delicious lady Newsreader who, apparently, came out of retirement to be the voice of NK.


 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snQS4pS9yQA#)

 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ugJZhL-cbc#)
Title: Re: North Korea fires missile over Japan.
Post by: New World on September 04, 2017, 03:54:29 PM
A lot of Yanks probably don't even know where Alaska is.
Title: Re: North Korea fires missile over Japan.
Post by: Sir Rocis de Liver on September 04, 2017, 04:27:05 PM
([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snQS4pS9yQA#[/url])

 ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ugJZhL-cbc#[/url])


Thanks, Q.
  :)
There's always one.
Comical Ali in the 2003 Iraq War.
Mousse Ibrahim in the Libyan Civil War.
Title: Re: North Korea fires missile over Japan.
Post by: Sir Rocis de Liver on September 04, 2017, 04:35:52 PM
Interesting to read some of the alternative views in the non-mainstream media.

For example:

https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/09/04/what-the-media-isnt-telling-you-about-north-koreas-missile-tests/ (https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/09/04/what-the-media-isnt-telling-you-about-north-koreas-missile-tests/)

Opinions expressed in the linked article do not necessarily reflect the views of the poster.

...and South Korea is a corrupt regime as the recent Samsung trials showed.
Title: Re: North Korea fires missile over Japan.
Post by: oake on September 04, 2017, 04:42:57 PM
...and South Korea is a corrupt regime as the recent Samsung trials showed.

Shhh!

They're on our side. ;)
Title: Re: North Korea fires missile over Japan.
Post by: Sir Rocis de Liver on September 04, 2017, 06:32:57 PM
Actually, your earlier post, oake, gave the correct context which our media had chosen to ignore.
Thanks.
Title: Re: North Korea fires missile over Japan.
Post by: Sir Rocis de Liver on September 05, 2017, 06:24:36 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/shortcuts/2017/sep/04/north-koreas-pink-lady-the-newscaster-set-to-announce-the-end-of-the-world (https://www.theguardian.com/world/shortcuts/2017/sep/04/north-koreas-pink-lady-the-newscaster-set-to-announce-the-end-of-the-world)
Title: Re: North Korea fires missile over Japan.
Post by: Q13.1 on September 05, 2017, 04:56:20 PM
Kim needs to get himself a twitter account, though I noticed the pink lady doesn't even have an autocue. Sanction paper, could bring the regime down overnight.
Title: Re: North Korea fires missile over Japan.
Post by: New World on September 05, 2017, 05:19:49 PM
An 'expert' on Newsnight yesterday said that it was probable they were getting outside help to develop their nuclear programme. Probably from China. Makes sense I guess.
Title: Re: North Korea fires missile over Japan.
Post by: plandalet on September 06, 2017, 12:05:33 AM
An 'expert' on Newsnight yesterday said that it was probable they were getting outside help to develop their nuclear programme. Probably from China. Makes sense I guess.

Why exactly would China help North Korea develop their nuclear program? There's nothing in it for the Chinese. The dirty little secret is that developing nuclear weapons is not all that hard. Pakistan managed it.
Title: Re: North Korea fires missile over Japan.
Post by: Alizarin on September 06, 2017, 12:44:45 AM
Kim needs to get himself a twitter account, though I noticed the pink lady doesn't even have an autocue. Sanction paper, could bring the regime down overnight.

Indeed Q, Kim needs a twitter account, so he can vent his adolescent feelings of victim-hood to the world like Trump does. 
Title: Re: North Korea fires missile over Japan.
Post by: bababarararacucucudadada on September 06, 2017, 07:41:54 PM
This latest kerfuffle makes me wonder what NK is hoping to achieve beyond acquiring nuclear capability. I can understand why they want that because the nuked-up nations are seen as Big Hitters on the world stage.

The question as to what they think they'll gain from ever using them is altogether different one. Even if they have bunkers inside hollowed-out mountains and are impervious to attack once inside them there will be nothing worth having outside because the US will obliterate everything in retaliation and with Trump in charge they might even obliterate Pyongyang with a pre-emptive strike.

Quite simply they have nothing to gain from conflict and everything to lose and they must know this.

The whole business is bizarre but they must have some end game in mind so what might it be?
Title: Re: North Korea fires missile over Japan.
Post by: Sir Rocis de Liver on September 06, 2017, 09:51:54 PM
oake's post is probably the reason for Kim Jong Um's displays of might.
Responses, that is, to provocation by the current combined military exercises of S Korea, Japan and the US.
He can't be seen to be weak.
Nothing worse than loss of face.
Nothing bizarre about that.
Title: Re: North Korea fires missile over Japan.
Post by: bababarararacucucudadada on September 06, 2017, 10:35:46 PM
So he has made his point. The end game has been achieved already. All he has to do to maintain face is... nothing at all.

I hope that interpretation is accurate because if it isn't he really will try to nuke somewhere because that is all there is left to do, isn't it?

After all we've had the ICBM over Japan, the threats against Guam, the unexpected nuclear test... All that remains is to actually arm an ICBM and fire it at a target.
Title: Re: North Korea fires missile over Japan.
Post by: Return of the Mac on September 12, 2017, 11:31:16 PM
Biggest bully being tested by a little bully....I like what I am seeing :)